I have a certain standard when it comes to bagel because I used to work at a ma and pa bagel shop, I missed the taste of the fresh out of oven bagels, especially cinnamon rasin. Unfortunatey, the shop went under because of a big chain bagel store come in town! I hate buying from big chain, if I can avoid because the quality of consistence is non- exsist. Years later, I decide to learn how to bake the old way, without any bread machine. This is a 2nd bagel recipe I found on the web, and I think I have solved my missing the “fresh out of oven bagel taste”. These taste so good that they brought back the memory of the ma and pa bagel shop!